Diogenesister sure I would tell him that. In fact, the courts in California told his followers the same thing when they charged and were found competent to stand trial for their crimes. In a number of cases in Western Countries, people have tried to claim to brainwashed by a charismatic leader and time and time again in both civil and criminal cases those have been dismissed or found to be liable for their own actions.
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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness
by EdenOne inbased on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness
by EdenOne inbased on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
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John Davis
Even without "lying" what do you think governments are going to do? Even if they went around and flat out said it what do you expect governments to do. In the US Watchtower won the Bryan case in Washington. This was even as the court says assuming all of the facts in the most favourable light of the non-moving party, the person disfellowshipped, there is nothing that a civil government can do to stop disfellowshiping.
Even in Australia the only part that the ARC was able to bring up for disfellowshipping is that involving those who experienced child abuse. A government would have to treat religions differently between themselves and most western developed nations have prohibitions on that.
And I know that people on here like to say Watchtower and JWs are are not a religion but is a cult, but that is not how the law sees it. Even this thought that Watchtower falls under the B.I.T.E. model for cults that is not a legal thing. The model and in fact, the whole thing of brainwashing by a cult has not established a science and doesn't work in courts or dealing with lawmakers. They can only investigate using means that is generally accepted by the scientific community.
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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness
by EdenOne inbased on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
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John Davis
Well, you are going to have your voice heard if the petition is considered. If that makes you feel better then go for it, which you are doing. But I really hope you don't expect major changes by this petition.
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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness
by EdenOne inbased on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
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John Davis
I am not saying that this is, in fact, would not be considered. I am just saying that there is built within the petition laws certain circumstances where a petition can be denied.
I think it will be accepted but that is as far as it is going to go. The ECHR has already ruled in the France case that a nation cannot charge tax.
There could be petitions made with a number of other religions and groups. Catholic parishes and religious organizations would have to be charged because they deny communion to people who support abortion. Jewish institutions would be denied because they require women to receive both a civil divorce but also a Get in order to divorce. If it is part of religions strongly held belief it is hard for western governments to do anything that would coerce them into changing their belief system.
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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness
by EdenOne inbased on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
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John Davis
Morpheus:
A petition even with the requiset number of signatures can still be denied to be received and reviewed on it's face if it meets certain requirements:
Exercise of the Right of Petition
Law no. 43/90 of 10 August 1990, as amended by Law no. 6/93 of 1 March 1993, Law no. 15/2003 of 4 June 2003, Law no. 45/2007 of 24 August 2007 and Law no. 51/2017 of 13 July 2017 (Declaration of Rectification no. 23/2017 of 5 September 2017) In accordance with Articles 52, 164(d), 168(b)
Article 12
Immediate denial A petition shall immediately be denied when it is manifest that:
a) Its goal is illegal;
b) It seeks the reconsideration of court decisions, or of administrative acts which are not subject to appeal
; c) It seeks the reconsideration by the same entity of cases that have already been considered following exercise of the right of petition, save only if new grounds for consideration are invoked or have occurred.
2 - A petition shall also immediately be denied if:
a) It was submitted anonymously and studying it has not made it possible to identify the person or persons it came from;
b) It is groundless.
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PORTUGAL: Filed a petition to the parliament to erase the legal entity of the Jehovah's Witness
by EdenOne inbased on legal arguments that revolve around violations of several articles of the portuguese constitution, and of the law of religious freedom, a petition to the portuguese parliament has been set in motion to extinguish the legal entity that represents the jehovah's witness in portugal and remove this community from the national register of recognized religions protected by law.
the petition does not seek to ban the jehovah's witness as a whole in the country.
the petition denounces the institutional policy of shunning former members as a violation of basic human rights and psychological torture, and asks the portuguese legislators and judicial authorities to take action to stop this abuse, and suspend legal recognition to the branch office entity until the policies of shunning are changed.
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John Davis
It is interesting. This petition intends to solve what is called a constitutional violation of a constitutional violation. What you are asking the government to do is coerce Jehovah's Witnesses to change their religious beliefs in order for them to be treated like other religions that receive tax-exempt status.
I am not familiar with the constitution of Portugal but most other countries the civil rights that a country's constitution enshrines protects those rights for citizens from being violated not by other private citizens but by the government. Most countries another citizen or another private organization can violate someone else's civil rights without any negative impact. In fact even in the US during the civil rights movement, activists couldn't sue a business over a civil rights violation just on the constitution alone, it required the Civil Rights Act for it to finally require private businesses, organizations and individuals that enforce civil rights.
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Wait one minute here!!! Did the GB PURPOSEFULLY launch a D.O.S. attack on Russia? (aka the letter writting campaign)
by GTSfromSY ini know this sounds very outlandish by the title but hear this one out:.
a few months back i spoke to an old friend of mine raised "around the truth", but never baptized and wanting nothing to do with the wt.
he is very hip to what is going on in the wt however.
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John Davis
A DOS by definition is requests made with no legitimate purpose or no purpose by an outside observer as having a legitimate purpose. If you promote your website or if you do something that people don't like and your hosting infrastructure is not ready to take an influx of requests that don't qualify as a DOS attack. You may not think that the letters were written for any legitimate service but a number of people did. That included governments that sent communicates to the Russian government including the US Government. So by your own definition, the US Goverment along with a number of European Countries participated in a Terrorist Attack against the Russian Goverment.
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"Get Out" - Best Picture Nomination for 2018 Academy Awards
by Gayle inabout a type of cult - not religious.
just a movie.
however, about had several earmarks of a cult.
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John Davis
How in the world is Get Out anything having to do with a cult?
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Larry Nasser..... WOW....
by DATA-DOG indo you think the gb are watching the live report??
will they learn from all this?
are they scared shitless as the reality of social media delivers one bitch-slap of truth after another?
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John Davis
Freddo:
You're actually incorrect. A number of countries age of consents applies even if one of the parties is an adult and even an older adult. Such as in France the age of consent is 13 and can only be prosecuted if there is clear evidence of coesion by the adult. Just recently there were cases in France where the courts refused to prosecute grown men because the child was past the age of consent and there couldn't be clear evidence of any coercion.
In countries such as France, Italy, Germany, Austria, Spain and other countries around the world an adult could legally have sex with a child as young as 13 or 14 as long as the adult didn't use clear coercion, paid for the intercourse or had authority over the child prior to the act. And these aren't old laws Germany just raised their age of consent from 13 to only 14 very recently. In France, they want to raise the age of Consent from 13 and not to 18 but to only 15.
So again each society chooses what they feel is acceptable, no matter what you think is the right thing to do.
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Larry Nasser..... WOW....
by DATA-DOG indo you think the gb are watching the live report??
will they learn from all this?
are they scared shitless as the reality of social media delivers one bitch-slap of truth after another?
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John Davis
Diogenesister:
With regards to US lawyers using the ARC as either common law jurisdiction or persuasive authority. I am not sure but it does seem very unlikely because well the ARC was not a court. There was no due process in the same fashion as a court in either Australia or the US. That is why the ARC cannot enforce anything it was strictly an advisory role, they duty was to make recommendations to the Australian Federal Government and send things to local police and prosecutors for further investigation or review. If there were further prosecution or judicial action it would have to be with full due process.
It might be possible for a US lawyer to use the ARC testimony as a means to impeach a witness, because I do believe the witnesses testifying before the ARC were put under oath which carries the full penalties of perjury. But that I think would be up to the trial judge to determine if you can use the testimony of another witness in another country to impeach the testimony in an instant case.
I am not sure if the majority of the cases are settled out of court since not all cases are reported in a public fashion by either party nor are they required to do so. I think that because Watchtower settled the famous 18 suits that Zalkin brought like 6 years ago that it is assumed that they are all settled. Many of them are dismissed either because of statute of limitations or failing to state claim, because Watchtower is found to have no fiduciary duty nor a duty to warn or a duty to protect. The famous of those instances include the Conti case where the awarded was shaved down and the court of appeals ruled that there is no duty to warn or protect and that there is only a duty to supervise when conducting congregation sponsored events. The other cases include the Lewis, Berry a recent case in Louisiana and a number of recent cases in Texas were again there is found to be no fiduciary duty. Other courts have also found that there is no civil claim that can be made even if a report is not made.
Courts have found that if there is a criminal statute, that if a case of child abuse is not reported that does not automatically mean that a civil case can be filed against the person who violated that law. Courts have found that only if the statute gives a private claim of action can a civil case be brought. Some have claimed that a civil action would force people to report these instances. But courts have found that if the law doesn’t give the right to a civil claim, that it is up to the legislatures to find a remedy to enforce those laws it is not a right of a victim to enforce it through a civil claim.
Even the ARC recognized that not all 1800 cases that they found would a payment have to be made nor would the victim qualify for a payment. The ARC recommended that payment be made only if they meet certain criteria including that the abuse took place by someone who was an agent of the organization and that the organization had prior notice that previous instances occurred and didn’t do anything not in general with agents but for a specific agent.